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Carol A's avatar

Yes, have heard my US family use the T-shirt understanding of heaven as exclusionist and hell as inclusionist. How did white evangelical theology get so twisted and degraded? Will they have to experience fleeing their homeland before they can grasp what's happening in our world?

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I was searching for something to help me understand Christian Nationalists view of hell. This has been a very helpful article.

I'm a member of a "Fans of David Bentley Hart" Facebook group. Hart may be one of the most famous "universalist" Christian theologians (perhaps to underscore his universalism, Hart sometimes refers to himself as a "Vedantic Christian", to emphasize his love and respect for the theistic traditions in Vedantic philosophy.

Well, a Christian Nationalist showed up the other day, to express his belief that everyone who believes as Hart does will end up in Hell, being tortured for all eternity.

I visited this fellow's FB page, and first, asked him a question I often ask fundamentalists, "What does the phrase "In God we live and move and have our being" mean?" Hart takes this in a sense common to Vedanta, Sufism, Kabbalah, Christian mystics, etc, that the Supreme Divinity is all pervading, and resides in a special way deep within our hearts, with whom we can commune as eternal souls, and of course, goes hand in hand with the title of his book, "All Will Be Saved."

This fellow - I'll call him Joe - said the verse simply meant that we should follow Christ and be His disciple. This was so bizarre and such a non sequitur that I tried to engage him further, in as polite a way as possible.

I made a special effort over the 8 years I lived in Greenville, SC to talk with students at the fundamentalist Bob Jones University, who were always unfailingly polite. In my 50 years as a New Yorker, I don't think I ever met anyone in person who I knew to be a fundamentalist. I was so baffled and startled by their views (from young earth creationism to the idea that all who don't believe as they do will end up in hell) that I spoke with them quite regularly.

But honestly, I don't think in my 70+ years I've ever come across someone who spoke with such passion about how those who don't believe as he does (which comes to close to 8 billion people) would end up in Hell.

I later asked my friends at the Hart FB group - "Is this really some kind of sadistic schadenfreude? Is he really taking such pure delight in thinking of all the suffering and torture that will be inflicted on all who don't think of him? (I was particularly concerned as the nominee for Defense secretary seems to share this belief)

I heard one charitable explanation, and I wonder if this makes sense to y'all. Someone said often people whose lives have fallen apart, who then become "saved by Christ," are actually anxious that others believe as they do, and express their grave concern by warning people if they aren't saved as well, they'll end up in terrible suffering."

That sounded nice to me, but I've just heard too many fundamentalists seem to express a kind of subtle (or not so subtle) delight in the fact that non believers will suffer eternal torment.

IT's like that Trump supporter 1 year into his first administration, who said, "He's hurting the wrong people."

I wonder what others think about this attitude among Christian nationalists. Do you take a more charitable reading of their concern about non believers going to hell, take them as being more malicious, or some combination of the two?

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